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Hoots : Does the natural sign still apply with the octave up sign? The first natural sign means all E5s will be natural, so the first E5 and the second E5 will be E naturals. But then the 8va sign comes in and the third E is actually - freshhoot.com

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Does the natural sign still apply with the octave up sign?
The first natural sign means all E5s will be natural, so the first E5 and the second E5 will be E naturals.
But then the 8va sign comes in and the third E is actually an E6 but resides on the same bar level as the previous Es.
Is this E6 an E natural? Or E flat because technically it's in another octave?


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Flats and sharps in key signatures always apply to all octaves.
8va also doesn't affect accidentals, they always apply as usual.


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It's still a natural. True, the notes at that part of the bar are played an octave higher, but because it's written on that top space, and a previous E was naturalised (?) in the same place, it retains its accidental.
A cautionary natural sign wouldn't go amiss, though.


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