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Hoots : My tax refund is exactly 00. Did I hit a cap? My tax refund this year will be ,043 from the federal government, and 7 from New York State. That comes out to exactly 00. I figure the chances of that happening are - freshhoot.com

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My tax refund is exactly 00. Did I hit a cap?
My tax refund this year will be ,043 from the federal government, and 7 from New York State. That comes out to exactly 00. I figure the chances of that happening are pretty low.

Is there some law I'm running into that is capping my tax return (and I guess thereby making me lose money on my taxes)?

The reason why I believe 00 is special and has a higher chance of being special than any other random number is that if there was a cap it would likely be at a nice even number, like 00.


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Is there some law I'm running into that is capping my tax return

You're filing two returns, not one. Thus, the premise of your question is flawed.

Just as importantly, the two tax returns don't ask each other what the other's current year refund is.


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One can overpay their state and federal taxes by tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Tax time is when it gets reconciled, a payment due or a refund. No cap either way, your 00 is just coincidence that it’s a round number.


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There is no "maximum refund amount". I presume the round number is a coincidence.

How did you calculate your refunds? If you filled out the forms by hand, presumably you know exactly what calculations you did, and you'd know whether you applied some rule about a maximum. I suppose if you used some tax software package you might not know how they calculated your refunds. In that case, you could print out the forms and follow through each step to see where the numbers come from.

If you studied the calculations, it's possible that the number is not strictly a "coincidence", that you come up with a round number because other numbers going into the calculation are round numbers or some such.

Note that while the probability that your tax refund will be an exact multiple of 00 is, presumably, about 1 in 1000, it is a classical fallacy to make much of this. If either the fed tax alone or the state tax alone had been a round number, you would likely have been equally impressed. Or if either tax, or the total of the taxes, or the total withheld, etc. Just in your taxes there are probably dozens of "interesting" numbers. Then consider your credit card balance, your bank account balance, etc. The probability that one specific number will come out to a round number is small. But the probability that ANY number that you might encounter in your personal finances will turn out to be a round number is not that small.

This is how psychics work. I saw on the news once that a psychic was asked to assist the police in solving a murder. He said things like, "The letter 'R' will be important." And then it turned out that the first name of the man who found the body started with an "R". Amazing prediction! Not really. He would surely also have claimed a hit if "R" had been the first letter of the man's last name, or of the street where the body was found, or the town, or a nearby store, or a river or a hill, or the model car someone involved drove. He never said it would be related to finding the body, so he could claim success if there was an "R" in the name of a witness, if the person was found tied with "rope", etc etc.


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The size of your refund is calculated by a simple formula:

Refund = (amount withheld) + (amount of refundable credits) - (taxes owed)

(This could come out to a negative number, in which case you will have to pay in more money instead of getting a refund, but that's a digression.)

None of those inputs have any influence on each other.** Your refund is just the disparity between the amount you have already given to the IRS (or state agency) for the year, and the amount it turns out you actually owe after going through the complicated steps of the 1040 form.

So, supposed you go through the tax form and find out your tax liability is ,437 (let's leave credits out of this), and it you actually paid in ,437 through withholding, your refund will be ,000. If you had withheld more, your refund would be higher. If you had withheld less, your refund would be lower. Bt your withholding and actual tax liability have nothing to do with each other.

In your case, you actually have 2 refunds which happen to add up to a round number. But these, too, are independent calculations. The federal government doesn't care how much you pay into your state (other than the fact that your state withholding is deductible if you are itemizing, provided you count your state refund as income in the following year), and the state doesn't care what you paid the feds. They each have their own rules for calculating what you owe. The fact that your two refunds combined add to a nice round number is coincidence.

** If you have regular employment, you could argue that the taxes owed influences the amount withheld, as your withholding is supposed to be a projection of what the IRS thinks you will owe according to a calculation using the size of your paycheck and the number of exemptions you claim. It is entirely up to you to declare your exemptions, though, and the actual tax calculation is much more complex than the one used to determine withholding, so it is rare for those numbers to match exactly. But it is to your benefit to get these two numbers as close as possible.


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Roughly, about one in a thousand people will have a tax return in multiples of a thousand. If 100 million people/families file, there could be around 100,000 with a return that’s a multiple of 1,000.

Most deductions are limited to the total amount of taxes you owe, some are not. Therefore, your return is mostly limited by how much taxes you already paid - but not always. Otherwise, there is no cut-off (I once got over 20k$ back).

I think it was pure coincidence that yours was 3,000.


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