Do such chords exist?
for example,
C D E
or
C C# D
motivation:
I am trying to get all of the permutations for all possible notes, chromatically (within the octave of a selected tonic, in this case C-chromatic scale)
I understand that these may possibly be inversions of some kind and there will be inversions in the permutations
or am I doing this chord theory all wrong?
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Chord theory can be approached in two ways:
You can try and understand the frequency of each sound (in Hertz) and discover which frequencies are actually harmonious overlaps. This is approaching it from a pure tone / physics side of resonance.
You can also approach it in terms of "traditional" theory which is simpler, and closer to what you are getting into. There are twelve named tones in an octave and the number of "steps" between tones colors the sound you are hearing.
C to C is either 0 steps, 12 steps, 24 steps, 36 steps, or 48 steps... etc.
C to D can be 1 step, or 11 steps, or even 13 steps depending on which is the reference pitch on a keyboard.
So get a keyboard/piano or even just a digital online one and count the number of white and black keys between named notes and you'll get much farther into chord theory by knowing how many "steps" there are between tones, than simply looking at letters on paper.
As with most aspects of music, music theory doesn't offer one single 'correct' way to think of chords. The most commonly-taught way is to start with the triads that are generated from the set of notes in major and minor keys, and then consider other forms as variations on, or substitutions for, those chords. As others have mentioned, there's also an emphasis on looking at how chords function within the context of a progression. These two ideas are deeply ingrained in Western musical tradition, but of course you don't have to think this way - there's no reason you have to think of triads as the basic building block, or think of chords as 'altered' forms of other chords for example. You also don't have to think of chords in terms of their function - many pieces (even by canonical Western composers) arguably use chords primarily for their particular colour and feel ahead of any considerations of function.
You might wish to study some of the theories of consonance, dissonance, and roughness, which might help you if you decide to study harmonies that are generated from the full range of continuous pitches, rather than just the chromatic scale. (I mention this because you said you are interested in 'all permutations' - but you could also 'go bigger' than that idea!). This might also be relevant if you want to study how different chords can sound very different when played with instruments of different timbres.
If restricting yourself to a discrete scale, as Dom says, pitch class set notation is a way of viewing all possible sets of notes in a more egalitarian way. As Sova mentioned, as you stray further from diatonic norms, the 'letters' and 'sharps and flats' way of naming things arguably becomes less useful.
Any two or more notes form a chord. The other answers all have valid points, but the term itself is quite simple — even if it's not necessarily useful in most contexts.
Allen Forte, in The Structure of Atonal Music, lists 220 chords or "prime forms". These include all possible collections of chords of three to twelve notes, where transpositions and inversions are treated as instances of the same chord. Consequently, Forte's pc analysis doesn't distinguish between a major and minor triad, for example.
Furthermore, notice that the complement of a chord stands in a special relation to that chord. The complement is formed of all pitch classes that are not part of the chord, so the black keyes are the complement of the whites. Therefore, when you have enumerated all chords with up to six notes, the pattern starts repeating. You'll find the chords with seven or more notes by taking complements of the chords you first listed.
Yes they are both chords, but how useful they would be alone especially in functional harmony is questionable. The first one C, D, E could actually be viewed as a CAdd9 chord without the fifth as the root implies a perfect 5th pretty strongly. The second one will most likely not be used in any tonal harmony due it's extreme dissonance and will not be given a traditional symbol.
Any distinct set of pitches is considered a chord even if they don't come up that often. Typically when talking about chords in this theoretical setting trying to create all possibility, we'll look more at the chords as a pitch class sets and distinguish chord types based on their prime form.
In pitch class set, all notes are enumerated from 0 to 11 for that repeat each octave. By doing this you can look form similar relationships between sets. The 0 can be any starting note that makes sense, but to keep with the traditional ideas C is typically 0. For example, in a pitch class set a C major chord would be represented as [0, 4, 7] and any major chord in any inversion would reduce to this as its prime form which is just smallest way to represented the chord in an enumerated fashion like this. This can be extended to any system with a set number of pitches including the 24 equal temperament if desired, just the numbering change.
This site gives a good list of possible pitch class sets and what they would be in traditional music and as you'll see a good chunk of them do not come up in a traditional fashion.
A useful "theory" needs to tell you what you can do with a "chord", not just give it a name. For example the idea of "the chord EFGA" doesn't have much significance, until you put it into a musical context like this
when you can understand it either as a dominant 13th, or as two passing notes associated with a dominant 7th - whichever you prefer.
All chords exist. The real question is: What is the conventional name
of these chords? How are chords named? Is this a practical chord? Is
this the practical way to name this chord? Depending on your
motivations for your "motivation" the question could be re-framed.
All possible chords have been classified.. probably many times. Look
up Set Theory, and Pitch Class Sets for the most conventional
viewpoint of this non-tonal approach to chords. Perhaps this could be a good starting place: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory_(music). Look to some other answers for more examples like @ttw .
When you look at and name chords tonally, the context informs the name of the chords, especially when you look at chords that contain some ambiguity such as the ones you selected for examples. There is some exploration of this in other answers like that from @topo morto.
This can be done, but not all combinations are always useful.
Nicolas Slonimsky's "Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns" basically does this. He lists lots of combinations indexed by number of notes.
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